Curse

Missing HB · Dec 11, 2011, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Hello everyone,
I am really astounished at the numbers of people doing it on low rating and in fact it isn't providing any advantage to real teams facing them( unlike in hero battles, the other place where this happened)...

Basically, people using it are usually using multi launch to enter " alone" and botting sometimes( you can just go to gtob asian districts and see the several teams with 2 guys with no second profession)... Here are the facts :
- You usually wait long to face them and you don't get any more rating usually.( as you need several people to GvG, people get bored having no real match and consider it a big waste of time)
- Most of those guilds need to lose rating in AT's, which is making them biased( i.e lucky matchups with the one who gets Bye, etc...) and longer( 2 hours 30 against the same guild is a scandal)

My suggestion would really be , in order to not just remove multi launch as people are using it in a more fair way:
- implement a kind of dishonor code when you resign more than 3 times in 10mn in ANY PvP mode( codex and HA included ;the number of times is to be argued).. i don't think anyone playing for fun or for win is going to resign that much in 10mn anyway...
- ( already suggested) make the minimum rating in GvG equal to 950 ( the solution to not earn any reward below 900 rating wouldn't be fair for a minority of players)

Waiting comments

Lynie · Dec 11, 2011, 11:10 AM // 11:10

I don't get your point, so you don't want people to cheer up a bit after waiting 30 minutes? In my opinion if you let people wait 30 minutes and then they finally change zone, they might want to wait a bit more for the next match.
I understand that it might be dissapointing, but what do you expect from a dead game?

KZaske · Dec 11, 2011, 02:03 PM // 14:03

From the sounds of it, they (ANet) could require a full human only team to be able to start.

Missing HB · Dec 11, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Lynie

I don't get your point, so you don't want people to cheer up a bit after waiting 30 minutes? In my opinion if you let people wait 30 minutes and then they finally change zone, they might want to wait a bit more for the next match.
I understand that it might be dissapointing, but what do you expect from a dead game?

We could consider that GvG is the only PvP format left which isn't a total joke( read other formats are either too flawed or bugged( RA,FA) or abused to death( codex, HA , JQ))..., i don't mind people who're using multi launch few times when they don't have anything to do, but you can't deny that 99% of players using it are probably just doing it whole day after they realized the big amount of rewards they can get for doing exactly nothing...

My point here is that in HB for example, you could just still have several wins and additional rating if you faced ragers or red resigners abusers... Other fact is that you had much more fights in Hb than in GvG because one is 1v1 and other is supposed to be 8v8....
What's the point of " trying " to convince people to come GvG if it's about waiting and waiting only not even getting any more rating...

The other issue , which is the most problematic, is like what i said, several Pvp'ers are realizing the profit they can make by doing so and tend to stop playing PvP seriously... which is making the format and Heroes Ascent too even more inactive...

Ariena Najea · Dec 11, 2011, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

We could consider that GvG is the only PvP format left which isn't a total joke( read other formats are either too flawed or bugged( RA,FA) or abused to death( codex, HA , JQ))..., i don't mind people who're using multi launch few times when they don't have anything to do, but you can't deny that 99% of players using it are probably just doing it whole day after they realized the big amount of rewards they can get for doing exactly nothing...

My point here is that in HB for example, you could just still have several wins and additional rating if you faced ragers or red resigners abusers... Other fact is that you had much more fights in Hb than in GvG because one is 1v1 and other is supposed to be 8v8....
What's the point of " trying " to convince people to come GvG if it's about waiting and waiting only not even getting any more rating...

The other issue , which is the most problematic, is like what i said, several Pvp'ers are realizing the profit they can make by doing so and tend to stop playing PvP seriously... which is making the format and Heroes Ascent too even more inactive...

My Guild played 6 matches last night beginning at approximately 11PM EST (GMT-5), and only faced one resign team. Most nights we don't find a single one, and we regularly play until 2AM.

There IS also a reward for facing these teams - the GvG ZCombat quest gives 9000 Balthazar, netting you 2 keys (including 1k+ from winning the match), a silver coin, and a little plat. On GvG day, this means you are getting approximately 14k per win. On non-GvG day, you get 4 additional silver coins (and a bit more faction) by turning the quest in with the full 3 matches. Not quite as nice, but saying there is no reward is simply not true.

There should be some kind of script that checks both the damage taken and aggressiveness of teams that resign before six minutes. Teams with numerous resigns who have taken minimal damage and no aggression should be investigated.

Fluffy Kittens · Dec 11, 2011, 06:17 PM // 18:17

You should try playing at low rating, more than 50% of fights are against resign guilds, which makes the game BORING for me. I'm here to play guild wars not do whatever they do.
Best solution would be to combine HA and GvG into one format like they did with TA and HB, if nothing we'll at least have twice the less abuses.

Ariena Najea · Dec 11, 2011, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole

You should try playing at low rating, more than 50% of fights are against resign guilds, which makes the game BORING for me. I'm here to play guild wars not do whatever they do.
Best solution would be to combine HA and GvG into one format like they did with TA and HB, if nothing we'll at least have twice the less abuses.

My Guild is rating 955, most of my members are new GvGers.

Seems to be a lot of bs going around from people who aren't actually playing GvG, specifically at the lower end.

Fluffy Kittens · Dec 11, 2011, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

My Guild is rating 955, most of my members are new GvGers.

Seems to be a lot of bs going around from people who aren't actually playing GvG, specifically at the lower end.

By low rating I mean: 700 or less. Also, I do play GvG a lot both in high end when I guest for others or low end in my guild which always has between 700 and 800 rating.

Mireles · Dec 11, 2011, 06:28 PM // 18:28

The fact of the matter is if there were enough people playing this for fun, syncing would not be able to happen... People don't take PvP seriously anymore, the whole concept of pvp has become a joke arena net ignores now.... If you want to stop it... push Anet to ban red resigners and syncers..

Ariena Najea · Dec 11, 2011, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Unless you are losing virtually every match to real teams, you shouldn't be staying in that range very long.

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Originally Posted by Mireles

The fact of the matter is if there were enough people playing this for fun, syncing would not be able to happen... People don't take PvP seriously anymore, the whole concept of pvp has become a joke arena net ignores now.... If you want to stop it... push Anet to ban red resigners and syncers..

Best way to get people to play is to stop exaggerating the problems the format is facing. Even 1 fake match out of 10 is too many, the best thing to do is screenshot the resign when it pops up and send it in an email to support. If accounts start to get banned, this garbage will slow down some.

Mireles · Dec 11, 2011, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

Unless you are losing virtually every match to real teams, you shouldn't be staying in that range very long.

Best way to get people to play is to stop exaggerating the problems the format is facing. Even 1 fake match out of 10 is too many, the best thing to do is screenshot the resign when it pops up and send it in an email to support. If accounts start to get banned, this garbage will slow down some.

That is exaggerating but at the same time you agree with me?... Formats have way more problems than this that keep people from wanting to play.

Reverend Dr · Dec 11, 2011, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

If accounts start to get banned, this garbage will slow down some.

But in these cases they aren't doing anything wrong. You are literally reporting a team for just resigning.

Now when they resign to themselves, this is match manipulation. This is much easier to see as it is not a single isolated incident.

Unfortunately we as players only have access to these single incidents and really no one should want a company so ban-happy as to ban upon a single resign. This leaves either Anet to follow up on these reports, which oddly enough takes more effort than simply monitoring all of the super-low level GvG matches on GvG day. It is a problem that is no visible, certainly less visible than RR, so Anet can and will ignore it.

Ariena Najea · Dec 11, 2011, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

But in these cases they aren't doing anything wrong. You are literally reporting a team for just resigning.

Now when they resign to themselves, this is match manipulation. This is much easier to see as it is not a single isolated incident.

Unfortunately we as players only have access to these single incidents and really no one should want a company so ban-happy as to ban upon a single resign. This leaves either Anet to follow up on these reports, which oddly enough takes more effort than simply monitoring all of the super-low level GvG matches on GvG day. It is a problem that is no visible, certainly less visible than RR, so Anet can and will ignore it.

The resign guilds are obvious. They always have a rating of 1000 or less, and resign immediately upon entering. There are almost always exactly 2 human players, and their team resigns immediately after the gate opens.

My past experiences of reporting leechers and bots in RA and whatnot via the email support has been very successful. In each case it appears they actually take a moment to look into the case. Who knows what happens (or more likely doesn't happen) when you /report. In any case, it is very unlikely that a player is going to get banned for legitimately resigning at the gate, since it shouldn't be happening particularly often. If this happened, an appeal should be reasonably straightforward.

Martin Alvito · Dec 12, 2011, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Whether Support is pleasant or not when you e-mail them is irrelevant. This isn't a problem that can be cured via enforcement. It's simply too costly to hire people to police this stuff. You fix the problem by redesigning the reward system to close the loophole.

People resign because they get rewarded for doing it via the Zaishen quest. A single account can hold 4-8 copies of the GvG quest at any time, and there are plenty of players out there with many expendable accounts (*cough* XTH *cough*). The result is that a dedicated /resign player could easily load the quest enough times to keep busy for a week.

The only feasible solutions are to take away the Zaishen quest, or rework it so that players have to invest enough time actually playing each match that some other farm becomes more efficient.

*lemming* · Dec 12, 2011, 02:18 AM // 02:18

We obviously have no idea how Anet stores guild data, but hypothetically, wouldn't it be simple to flag guilds for closer inspection - say, for having an unrealistically low rating (say, < 900) or for repeatedly forfeiting ATs while having low rating?

Terrible Surgeon · Dec 12, 2011, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole

You should try playing at low rating, more than 50% of fights are against resign guilds, which makes the game BORING for me. I'm here to play guild wars not do whatever they do.
Best solution would be to combine HA and GvG into one format like they did with TA and HB, if nothing we'll at least have twice the less abuses.

Also, you will have twice the dead game as far as pvp is concerned. Erasing HB and TA really hurt pvp in guild wars. They were replaced with stupid crap arena. If ou want to see a totally dead pvp then combine HA and GvG.

Fluffy Kittens · Dec 12, 2011, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

Also, you will have twice the dead game as far as pvp is concerned. Erasing HB and TA really hurt pvp in guild wars. They were replaced with stupid crap arena. If ou want to see a totally dead pvp then combine HA and GvG.

one word: sarcasm

Reverend Dr · Dec 12, 2011, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

My past experiences of reporting leechers and bots in RA and whatnot via the email support has been very successful.

There are still two major things wrong with this approach. First off, in the RA reports you are actually reporting behavior that is against the rules, while in the GvG case their behavior that you saw in your match with them is not against the rules; you are [technically] abusing the report system. Second, and probably more importantly, for something this easy for them to spot, it should not be up to the community to constantly be policing itself, especially when every report is going to require a ticket through the NCSoft site.

If Anet gave a shit, it wouldn't be hard for them to deal with( we know exactly which guilds to look at and when to look at them), but they don't and since they don't, there isn't a damn thing any of the rest of us can do about it.

MithranArkanere · Dec 12, 2011, 07:32 PM // 19:32

It's clearly stated in the Rules of Conduct:

24. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

So if they do that, it's reason enough to ban them all.